Dream Garage:  High Mileage Edition

"awmaster10" (awmaster10) 06/27/2017 at 12:03 • Filed to: dream garage

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Pick your 3 car dream garage of vehicles that you must drive for 200k miles. For older cars I guess you can just assume you are able to buy one with zero miles.

Mine would be:

Fast Car: Original NSX

DD: CTS-V Sedan

Truck: Land crusier 70 Ute

R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet > awmaster10 06/27/2017 at 12:06

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that is a cool land cruiser

awmaster10 > R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet 06/27/2017 at 12:07

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Oh I know. I searched LC 70 ute and was looking for a nice one and I was stunned when I saw this one. Too bad id have to either move to australia or drop like $30k.

duurtlang > awmaster10 06/27/2017 at 12:09

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Wouldn’t you be able to drive all cars to 200k miles? Especially if you were to be able to get them with 0 miles and thus treat them right their whole lives.

All of my 5 cars have over 200k kms on them, and all but my DD are over 25 years old. My Italian built French brand 17 yo DD has 304k kms (188k miles) and hasn’t required anything but routine maintenance...

LongbowMkII > awmaster10 06/27/2017 at 12:10

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30k seems totally reasonable. I wouldnt bat an eye at someone selling it for 50k in the US,

adamftw > awmaster10 06/27/2017 at 12:16

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Pretty sure that’s Ronny Dahl’s 70. Pretty popular down under youtube guy.

awmaster10 > LongbowMkII 06/27/2017 at 12:17

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Well the one pictures is a 70 crusier but one thats been produced well after the LC70s original generation run. So to get one in the US you would have to get an original 25 year old 70 series, which is slightly different looking and would need to be immaculately kept.

That is where the cost comes in. I was just guessing about $30k to get JUST a clean 70 over here, sans ute bed, but that might even be a bit low. All said and done the one pictured could easily sell in the US for $50...Just look at LR defender pricing.

awmaster10 > adamftw 06/27/2017 at 12:18

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Ill check him out. Australian offroad culture is so much crazier than in the US, theres so much overland stuff to check out.

The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock > awmaster10 06/27/2017 at 12:19

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Fun car: Dodge Neon SRT4 ACR.

DD: Chrysler 300 SRT. 6.4 hemi preferd, but 6.1 would do.

Truck: Dodge Ram SRT10 RC/SB.

See the theme?

The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock > awmaster10 06/27/2017 at 12:19

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Fun car: Dodge Neon SRT4 ACR.

DD: Chrysler 300 SRT. 6.4 hemi preferd, but 6.1 would do.

Truck: Dodge Ram SRT10 RC/SB.

See the theme?

RT > awmaster10 06/27/2017 at 12:19

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Fast Car: Original NSX.

DD: E39 M5.

‘Truck’: Range Rover V8.

awmaster10 > duurtlang 06/27/2017 at 12:21

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Yes you COULD drive most cars to 200k. The point is would you WANT to. Some cars by 150k are a huge hassle and just dont drive the same as new, especially sports cars. Italian exotics require engine out maintenance for $20k+ every couple thousand miles or years. That is why I chose an NSX.

A new 3 series will not be as enjoyable to take to 200k miles as the cadillac.

A new land rover LR3 will not be as enjoyable to take to 200k miles as the land cruiser.

Its about choosing cars that would not just MAKE IT to 200k but would still be your dream cars at 200k.

awmaster10 > RT 06/27/2017 at 12:23

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Hard to pass up the original NSX as a reliable fast car.

The e39 and Range are traditionally not tanks reliability wise, but since you would be owning them for all 200k miles you could baby them into being fine.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > awmaster10 06/27/2017 at 12:23

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Do I have to pay for maintenance? Because that will change my answer significantly.

interstate366, now In The Industry > awmaster10 06/27/2017 at 12:24

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Replace the Caddy with an S2000 and you have my garage.

awmaster10 > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 06/27/2017 at 12:24

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I really wanted to make the SRT ram my truck choice. It would be a lot of fun and pretty bulletproof.

The 300C is a choice I forgot about completely. That would be a great high mileage DD.

The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock > awmaster10 06/27/2017 at 12:26

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I almost put truck in quotation marks. I can’t do many truck duties, but it can do great burn outs.

duurtlang > awmaster10 06/27/2017 at 12:29

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Excluding some rare Italian exotics I don’t think I see your point. Assuming cars are taken care off normally almost every car that was great when new will be great at 200k. The idea that a BMW (that is maintained normally) will age worse from a driving/aesthetic perspective than a Cadillac is something that doesn’t correspond with my experience with E30s, at all.

My point being: my dream garage at 200k miles will be the same as my dream garage at 0k.

awmaster10 > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 06/27/2017 at 12:31

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Yeah I should have included that. The point of the high mileage part is that you can have any car you want, but you have to live with the quality of that car as it ages.

awmaster10 > interstate366, now In The Industry 06/27/2017 at 12:32

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The things id give to have an s2k with zero miles...

clangus > awmaster10 06/27/2017 at 12:32

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VW Phaeton W12

V8 NA MX-5

Chaparral 2J

Although admittedly I’ll probably need a track for the last one, but I reckon I could drive round and round and round quite a bit.

djmt1 > awmaster10 06/27/2017 at 12:33

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Toyota Chaser JZX90 Vertex Edition

Noble M400

MG Abingdon Edition

awmaster10 > duurtlang 06/27/2017 at 12:36

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Heres an example:

My dream garage at zero miles would be more like

- Lamborghini Diablo (post refresh)

- e60 m5

- Land rover defender

Those cars would be annoying as fuck to maintain to 200k miles. If you disagree Im not sure what to tell you. It is just a fact that those cars have more expensive and frequent maintenance and worse average reliability than my original 3.

And yes, cars do age differently. You think EVERY 200k miles car ages the same if maintained normally? Seriously? Thats absurd.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > duurtlang 06/27/2017 at 12:37

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200k miles/320k kms.

But yeah this still shouldn’t be an issue, at least mechanically. More a question of 3 vehicles you’d want to drive for quite a long time without getting bored.

awmaster10 > clangus 06/27/2017 at 12:37

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Ooooo If I had considered swaps my choices would be much different. A v8 miata/mr2/s2k would be in my garage most likely.

awmaster10 > djmt1 06/27/2017 at 12:37

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I would love to own a noble

awmaster10 > duurtlang 06/27/2017 at 12:41

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Another really clear cut example that proves this isnt true. Many cars when maintained “normally” will be severely rusted out with faded clear coat 200k. Another car driven in the exact same conditions and washed just as frequently will be rust free and have perfect paint.

Guess which one youd choose to drive to 200k?

Choosing at zero miles? maybe get the one that rusts because you like the way it looks before it rusts.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > awmaster10 06/27/2017 at 12:42

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Also a CTS-V and an ‘88 Beauville van.

I’d slot a Syclone in there, but I think it’s best worshiped from afar, especially over the course of 320,000 kms. I’d be too scared of breaking it to enjoy it, besides I’ve heard they aren’t terribly reliable long-term, and pricey to fix.

Demon-Xanth knows how to operate a street. > awmaster10 06/27/2017 at 12:42

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2004 Dodge Dakota 4.7+5 speed.

1948 Buick Sedanette with an EFI GMC 702+6L80e

Ariel Nomad.

awmaster10 > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 06/27/2017 at 12:44

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I see pictures of your Colorado a lot, looks nice. Also looks like later in the generation so it could be a 5.3? That would be sweet.

But yeah a I would love a zero miles syclone.

awmaster10 > Demon-Xanth knows how to operate a street. 06/27/2017 at 12:45

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I drove a dakota 4.7 5 speed the other day randomly enough. It was a friends truck, pretty fun to drive. Unfortunately I had a canoe in the bed so I had to be careful.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > awmaster10 06/27/2017 at 12:48

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It is indeed a 5.3 :)

I do sometimes wish it was paired with a manual, but they never came like that... still awesome. I bought it half-planning to swap it for a second gen down the road. I have no such plans now.

Demon-Xanth knows how to operate a street. > awmaster10 06/27/2017 at 13:01

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I drove one for 13 years. I miss it every time I drive my Ram.

RT > awmaster10 06/27/2017 at 13:11

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Yeah, the NSX is a pretty obvious choice.

The BMW would cost a lot in maintence, though it’s properly put together at least. It’s no less reliable than the Caddy you posted.

And the Rangie? Yeah, you’re right since it was a BL product. But it’s reliable enough to win the Paris/Dakar rally, be the first vehicle to cross the Darien Gap, cross the Sahara Desert west-to-east and become the vehicle of choice for Camel Trophy - so it’s reliable enough for me.

RT > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 06/27/2017 at 13:18

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Yeh but why not do it the fun way?

interstate366, now In The Industry > awmaster10 06/27/2017 at 13:19

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Same. My other choice for a DD would be a 2007 Civic Mugen RR, but none of the 300 that were made have been driven that much.

The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock > RT 06/27/2017 at 13:20

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They are fun in a different sense.

RT > awmaster10 06/27/2017 at 13:31

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He just provided his own example:

All of my 5 cars have over 200k kms on them, and all but my DD are over 25 years old. My Italian built French brand 17 yo DD has 304k kms (188k miles) and hasn’t required anything but routine maintenance...

None of the cars duurtlang owns are ‘rusty’ or ‘annoying’.

200k miles isn’t a magic number when everything goes kaput, it’s just a lot of mileage. It can take its toll on a car if the conditions and maintence dictate, but if you’re careful mileage is not everything. If every car became rust prone and broken by 200k every routinely-used 25+ year-old car would be extinct by now.

awmaster10 > RT 06/27/2017 at 13:51

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“If every car became rust prone and broken by 200k every routinely-used 25+ year-old car would be extinct by now.” 

You just proved my exact point though? Thats the literal basis of my argument...

nerd_racing > awmaster10 06/27/2017 at 13:54

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Fast Car: 1997 Dodge Viper GTS

DD: Autozam AZ-1

Truck: Mazda REPU

RT > awmaster10 06/27/2017 at 14:05

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I said extinct, not less common. Plenty of car enthusiasts still maintain classic and retro cars. Getting parts for say, a Volkswagen Beetle, is like ordering from a restaurant menu.

Of course the mundane cars which never developed a following (e.g: the Ford Tempo) are rarer than hen’s teeth now, but see how many 60s Mustangs or even Fox Bodies remain. If people want to maintain these cars, they can - and obviously, they still do.

awmaster10 > RT 06/27/2017 at 14:24

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Im really not sure you guys get my original point. What you are describing proves my point even better. If it takes more effort to have a car hit 200k than other cars, you wouldnt choose it for this dream garage. Its really that simple. I dont know what classic cars have to do with that.

RT > awmaster10 06/27/2017 at 14:26

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Sure, but only really in extreme examples would things get nasty.

Die-Trying > awmaster10 06/27/2017 at 14:29

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i am building in the real world.........

awmaster10 > RT 06/27/2017 at 14:30

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A dream garage is literally as extreme as it gets. This challenge eliminates pretty much all exotics, and a lot of german cars. And no, keeping a new BMW running is not like keeping a foxbody running. The electronics fail. Which would not be an ideal situation in a literal dream garage.

There are tons of cars that people find unpleasant to maintain at 120k, or even have to get rid of because they are money pits. How do you not understand that those are the cars that you wouldnt choose for this challenge?

You are overthinking this. If you somehow still think you would choose the same 3 cars at zero miles as you would if you had to drive them to 200k, I dont even know how to explain this further.

RT > awmaster10 06/27/2017 at 14:40

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I get it, you’re taking reliability into account and it’s as simple as that.

It would be easier to say that than giving a mileage cap though, because with proper maintenance and care 200k is not much of a problem. Unless it’s confirmed that duurtland went through hell maintaining his high-mileage French and Italian fleet, which is not the case.

Besides, you broke your own rules in your post by choosing the Caddy. That thing has complex electronics which will fail eventually, very expensive tyres and fuel plus hardly any accessibility when it comes to working on it. It’s as hard to maintain as most new BMW M cars, only the engine is less delicate.

But sure, no hard feelings, I just a little sceptical about the way you worded this - thanks for replying and making your points clearer at least.

clangus > awmaster10 06/27/2017 at 15:42

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Before my mind just went to the obvious, now you’ve made me think about it. I might prefer something a bit more interesting, how about a 2jz or some kind of rotary? The six would be more suitable for the whole old British sports car idea.

Hmmmm time to see if I can locate something I can squeeze into my NA.

Long Live the Longdoor > awmaster10 06/27/2017 at 21:10

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Flyin Miata NC V8:

Jaguar F-Type S:

Datsun 240z:

pip bip - choose Corrour > awmaster10 06/28/2017 at 09:11

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Mitsubishi Lancer for DD

Mazda MX5

Toyota Hilux ute